feat fan December 8, 2006 They did not let him pitch the way he wanted. Cut him some slack. His not being elected to Cooperstown is a major oversight. December 8, 2006 John, we know the condition the team was in when Lolich got here. =Chuck= Really? Mike B You have to remember that any ERA of 3.00 and over back in the 1970's was not a good stat. Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. McLain got all the publicity but Lolich got the wins in post season 1968. In the early 1900's, Park Island Amusement Park offered roller skating, dancing, picnic areas, a penny arcade, Thriller roller coaster, swimming, and power boat tours of the seventeen hundred acres of beautiful Lake Orion. This has never happened before? Mickey did a few good games with the Mets as well as a couple shutouts. His three wins in the 1968 Series against the Cardinals were the apex of his career. Shickhaus Franks June 30, 2019 I don't know, I'm not a Mets expert. December 13, 2007 In that same year he went 13, 13, 12, 11 and 10 innings in 5 games. April 30, 2009 An E.R.A of 3.22 in the mid 70's was still pretty respectable. The two 13-inning games didn't even count for complete games because they went 15 innings! So when your "inning eater" goes 220 and gets a bonus it's beyond comprehension. Baseball burnt him out. I look at his numbers as a Met and they're not bad. Cut him some slack. God bless him wherever he is and good luck! 170 pounds, maybe not but here's a fact: hurled 376 innings in the early 70's. Lolich was a newcomer that was a big loser, and he reminded us of how stupid the Mets management was for always going after fading superstars. An E.R.A of 3.22 in the mid 70's was still pretty respectable. A Staub-Kingman combo would have provided more run support for big three, and probably a 90+ win season. However, this guy had some incredible numbers in Detroit, especially in the Post Season. I look at his numbers as a Met and they're not bad. Maybe when he was 15 years old he was 170, but at no point in his major league career was he ever 170. Lolich's main purpose was to pitch and he couldn't even do that for us. There were some games where the Mets did not give him support. Stu Baron Three bad starts on 8/3 and 8/13 as well as his next to last start on 9/15 is what really bloated his ERA, not that 3.22 even in the '70s was that shabby.Yes, he was far removed from his prime but to say he sucked is pretty short sighted and flies in the face of the fact that he pitched well enough to be a 12-15 game winner, but then this is the same year Seaver pitched Cy Young caliber ball and went only 14-11. Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. Raymond Malcuit May 24, 2002 Too bad we waited until '76 to bring him in, although his numbers indicated a lack of run support. In one of his best games as a Met, hefty lefty Lolich (no doubt the prototype for David Wells), tossed 8 innings, allowing 8 hits and 2 walks while striking out 4, the only run scoring on a fourth-inning groundout by a young Dave Parker.Alas, with the Mets historically typical poor run support, Lolich left, trailing 1-0, for pinch hitter Mike Phillips, who fanned for the 2nd out of the ninth, before singles by Ed Kranepool (batting for Leon Brown) and Bruce Boisclair and a walk to John Milner loaded the bases for Joe Torre. As far as who got the better of the Staub for Lolich deal: Rusty went on to have several excellent seasons in a Tiger uniform. I have to respectfully disagree with NYB Buff's claim that Lolich belongs in Cooperstown. C'mon John, the Mets did the Tigers a huge favor by taking this washed-up pitcher off their hands and giving them a great hitter like Rusty. Peter Millions of high-quality images, video, and music options are waiting for you. Instead, he had a new perception. He learned to pitch lefty in order to strengthen his left hand and arm after he lost the use of his right hand for a few years as a child. I used to think that Lolich sucked with the Mets, but after reviewing his stats and starts from that year, he was a damn effective #4 starter. As Sonny Jurgenson once said "you don't throw the ball with your stomach." Maybe Rusty was not in his prime when the Tigers got him, but the man could still swing the bat. 3.50 was more of a mediocre E.R.A in those days.About his profile of 6'1" and 170 lbs., I looked him up in the Baseball Encyclopedia and that's what they have. But I have to say, I laughed out loud when I saw his physical statistics on this site. November 12, 2006 December 8, 2006 I used to think that Lolich sucked with the Mets, but after reviewing his stats and starts from that year, he was a damn effective #4 starter. Then they all got old and the team slid into rebuilding- different than the Mets? December 20, 2019 Randy Tate And yes, maybe Koosman had losing years in the late 70's but he had been a Met long enough with a winning record that the fans rooted for him. Let me say that again, 376 and that's without a pitch count. June 2, 2006 senor ortiz Staub a great fielder with a great arm? But the facts are:Lolich spent 16 years in the Majors. pete May 9, 2002 pete snook snook Stu Baron Mickey Lolich did not do too bad with the Mets, He just did not get the He told the New York Press, he pitched with his head and arm not his abdomen. Lolich was a newcomer that was a big loser, and he reminded us of how stupid the Mets management was for always going after fading superstars. As far as who got the better of the Staub for Lolich deal: Rusty went on to have several excellent seasons in a Tiger uniform. Bob P Mickey was finished and Rusty still had about 8-10 years left, even though the last couple were solely as a pinch hitter. He led the Tigers to their second last-place finish in their 76-year history. Lolich committed to playing 2 years for the Mets, but then reneged on that promise. Mickey Lolich did not pitch badly for the Mets in 1976. John Bruce As for his love of donuts, he could have been the prototype for Homer Simpson. Let me say that again, 376 and that's without a pitch count. September 25, 2013 Ramblin' Pete He made the all- star team 3 times, led the AL in wins once, shutouts once, complete games once, innings once, strikeouts once, and losses TWICE.He finished second (1971) and third (1972) in the Cy Young race, and he never finished higher than TENTH PLACE in the league in ERA (finished tenth in both 1971 and 1972).Baseball Reference lists among his top ten in similarity scores: Jerry Koosman, Jerry Reuss, Rick Reuschel, Luis Tiant, Vida Blue, and Joe Niekro.All of that tells me Lolich in his prime was a good pitcher, but nowhere near a HOFer. April 30, 2009 April 27, 2013 He normally threw lots of pitches and completed a high percentage of his games. September 24, 2005 May 25, 2001 July 15, 2016 Mickey Lolich may soon surrender a record that he's held for 44 years - Vintage Detroit Collection. According to his profile above, his height and weight are listed as follows:Height: 6.01 Weight: 170170 pounds on a 6 ft. 1 in. For a fourth starter, on a four man rotation, Lolich was decent. Lolich for Staub---it might be the fattest trade in major league history. Raymond Malcuit Jr. Only two others, Steve Carlton and Randy Johnson, have surpassed him. Ramblin' Pete As somebody mentioned previously, this is really all Mike Vail's fault. Bob P to realizing he was one of the worst trades in Mets history, before Seaver went to the Reds. bob saunders November 3, 2006 Mickey Lolich captured the sporting headlines in 1968 by upstaging Hall of Famer, Bob Gibson, in the World Series. December 20, 2019 Access the best of Getty Images and iStock with our simple subscription plan. Jim Snedeker Well, I never realized that Rusty Staub was such a favorite in New York, beside the old Tigers announcer George Kell always making a fuss over Rusty Staub's New York restaurant. It would appear that the one party who was jobbed in the deal was Lolich himself. June 30, 2019 June 2, 2006 Would love to see a book written with lists and analysis of all Mets trades. Mickey was a great pitcher but was not happy in New York. The last thing the Tigers needed was a dandy hitter whose hitting only went to support lopsided slugfest losses every day. Yes, Mickey had some great years with the Tigers, no disrespect to him, but acquiring him at the cost of Rusty was one of the Mets' top three bonehead trades. =Chuck= support. 6'1", 170???? Peter I looked him up in The Sports Encyclopedia 2002 and they have 6' and 210 lbs. He lost 39 games his last two seasons in Detroit, with an obese ERA both years. They moved from Detroit to Orion.. Medical History of Michigan cited that patients from all over the USA came for treatment. Rusty played another decade. NO WAY he was 170 pounds. Only two others, Steve Carlton and Randy Johnson, have surpassed him. April 23, 2003 His not being elected to Cooperstown is a major oversight. Raymond Malcuit According to his profile above, his height and weight are listed as follows:Height: 6.01 Weight: 170170 pounds on a 6 ft. 1 in. When he was with the Mets, I gave him the name "TOO MUCH EATER" but then again the Orange and Blue has always had big boned hurlers (El Sid. Mickey Lolich is one of my favorite players. eddiek A few more years as the ace of the Tigers staff probably would have landed him in the Hall of Fame. Believe me if he pitched like the ace he was in Detroit no one here would have been so quick to criticize the trade. November 19, 2002 Jay It would appear that the one party who was jobbed in the deal was Lolich himself. November 3, 2006 feat fan Lolich was a good one, underrated and dominating at times. Bobster1985 As it is, he was traded to a team with a set of already existent aces- Seaver and Koosman. Grant was a real hindrance to the Mets. Cut him some slack. But this one defied all logic from the beginning. I don't know if Mickey belongs in Cooperstown but he sure deserved more than 25% of the vote which was his highest showing. (thankfully returning in '81). Jim Snedeker As somebody mentioned previously, this is really all Mike Vail's fault. I used to think that Lolich sucked with the Mets, but after reviewing his stats and starts from that year, he was a damn effective #4 starter. Dianna Jeanneh Jones Lolich was still productive but he was never accepted in New York because of whom he was traded for. NO WAY he was 170 pounds. I don't know if Mickey belongs in Cooperstown but he sure deserved more than 25% of the vote which was his highest showing. 6'1", 170???? May 8, 2003 The plan was apparently: Vail LF/RF, Kingman LF/RF/1B, Milner, LF/RF/1B for those three spots. (And of course Donald Grant) The Mets had to fill 2 corner outfield spots and first base. support. But he was not a career Tiger. August 11, 2015 However, I remember Lolich as being quite portly, so his true weight was a lot more than 170 pounds. Mickey had a lifetime 3.44 ERA and 2832 strikeouts. And of course Lolich did not want to be here, and the fans did not want him here either, so I am sure that's why he skipped town the next year. Lolich may be a legend in Detroit based on his 1968 World Series performance, but he was at the end of his career by 1976. Fact is Lolich was always overweight. I find it odd that he didn't play in 1977. Mickey Lolich captured the sporting headlines in 1968 by upstaging Hall of Famer, Bob Gibson, in the World Series. Rusty has always been a fan favorite so if you're going to trade him it better be worth it, and to most of us Mets fans Lolich wasn't. Mickey was at the tail end of his career when he came to the Mets. Mickey Lolich captured the sporting headlines in 1968 by upstaging Hall of Famer, Bob Gibson, in the World Series. October 19, 2011 Alter he gained 95 yards and scored a touchdown to lead the Cowboys to a 24-3 win over Miami, CBS-TV's Tom Brookshier nervously asked him if he was as fast as he had looked during the game. But then Vail got hurt, and Kranepool and the aging Torre got more playing time.The better plan was to keep Staub, and let Milner and Vail fight for a spot. Doug S. Raymond Malcuit Jr. I'll start with full disclosure: I was (and still am) bitter that the Mets gave up one of my favorite players, Rusty Staub, to get Lolich-- who was well past his prime. Mickey was a great pitcher but was not happy in New York. I'll start with full disclosure: I was (and still am) bitter that the Mets gave up one of my favorite players, Rusty Staub, to get Lolich-- who was well past his prime. April 6, 2012 Mickey Lolich did not do too bad with the Mets, He just did not get the ''They think ex-major leaguers should be vice presidents of companies. pete I still remember the Mets broadcast team trying to build him up in the eyes of the fans because he had been a Cy Young award winner. - Now for the trade itself. An E.R.A of 3.22 in the mid 70's was still pretty respectable. eddiek He started 45 games and completed 29. The trade was a great one for the Tigers and yet another whopper in a long history of bad trades for the Mets. Mickey Lolich did not do too bad with the Mets, He just did not get the Really? snook I simply loved to see him walk onto the mound; I knew that we as a ball club would be a winner any time he pitched, but as they always say time moves on, but our memory is always around. Mickey Lolich captured the sporting headlines in 1968 by upstaging Hall of Famer, Bob Gibson, in the World Series. 6'1", 170???? That would make him a star in today's market. April 23, 2003 In that same year he went 13, 13, 12, 11 and 10 innings in 5 games. Anybody remember how Rusty looked those last few years in New York? Its not Rustys fault the Tigers traded for hitting when they already had hitting. Or even a platoon as Vail was righty, and Milner was lefty.In the days of 4-man rotation, Seaver-Koosman-Matlack had them covered 75% of the time. I look at his numbers as a Met and they're not bad. He may have left behind a fine legacy in Detroit but when he got to New York he stunk.You weren't happy with Rusty and we weren't happy with Lolich, so let's just call the trade a wash. Case closed. In his first full season 1964, Mickey Lolich went 18-9 an ERA of 3.26. Bob P support. Ramblin' Pete Lolich was a fine pitcher. We are going all the way!" The fact that he pitched four consecutive 300+ inning years; that's like 10 years in today's game. April 27, 2013 Jim Snedeker Bobster1985 And yes, maybe Koosman had losing years in the late 70's but he had been a Met long enough with a winning record that the fans rooted for him. Mickey Lolich captured the sporting headlines in 1968 by upstaging Hall of Famer, Bob Gibson, in the World Series. Lolich was still productive but he was never accepted in New York because of whom he was traded for. 1st settlers: Judah Church, John Wetmore, Jesse Decker, Needham Hemingway, Moses Munson and David Shadbolt. 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