This promise indicates that God is present with the Body in a way He has not promised to the individual. If you have a good class and good friends in that class, keep going. This concern was raised when Platt took the position at the mission board. Personally collecting and sending funds from one local body of believers to a non-local body of believers who were in need? I hope you are. He feeds the one that gnaws him most.. It seems perfectly obvious to me that He wants more when it comes to eternity than just hanging around and thinking pleasant thoughts, so to speak. It certainly wasn't dealing with parents extreme mental illness for 30 years, health problems of both sets of departed parents raising my sister when we had a new baby and the teenage junk she put us thu, it certainly wasn't when my husband lost the use of arm to a accident and spent a year at p.t , it certainly wasn't when my accident caused me a bum leg and I still do my housework dragging it around. traumatic brain injury. Bridget, A 15th century religious darkness is descending upon McLean Bible Church? https://fiec.org.uk/events/event/leaders-conference-2017. Lost In Space: Gospel Replacement In Progress. He wants that title. More than anything, I want a church thats actually about God. More amazing is members will do so. Look to Him & His word and learn Honorable Little Christ'(tm) , share what youve learned with others, The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever. Then those who gladly received his word were baptized; and that day about three thousand souls were added to them. Acts 2:41, NKJV Reminds me of our former YRR pastor who told us he didnt come here just to serve, serve, serve all the time! Still scratching my head over that one! What I would say is, if you ever find the perfect church, dont join youll spoil it. Hmmmis there NO one in the UK and/or Ireland who can speak at the FIEC Leaders Conference that an American has to be imported? Maybe another big financial crisis is coming because the money is not rolling in and he wants a way out. We all hold each others hands in the hospital. Some are completely reasonable, and some would run any old church in an area that appreciated out of town. WebHaving a speech impairment can be a very frustrating and embarrassing experience for the person experiencing it. Keeping that statement in mind, what does he say about Platt's new role at teaching pastor? Faith is a response to Gods Self-revelation. The reason we should learn names is twofold. Whats wrong for you may be right for another believer and vice versa. Platt and his team are also reorganizing the board and the IMB is going through significant change. My pastor learning my name and making a point to speak it in kindness is part of the thoughtful, welcoming aspect that I enjoy in my church. Why do we all invariably say Ah, but you dont know my pastor, I love my pastor, hes different. Even assuming the best of him (or her), youre just flat asking for it when you set up any sort of king position that does not exist in the New Testament. They promote their conferences, they sell books by Piper, Mahaney, DeYoung and the rest. Those of us who have seen behind the curtain know that it is not real. Day-to-day leaders of the church living and working shoulder-to-shoulder with all the one anothers? In my opinion, the real trick is how much of that stuff do you (generic you) wanna extrapolate out the Bibles way back when and try an make it apply in the here and now? Soon the hospital evidences a growing problem. He knew when He inspired the authors of the Bible just exactly what would be going on now. Some of the classes taught by laymembers at MBC are outstanding. All due respect, Okrapod, these arent scriptural requirements for an elder. Rather than whole-wheat flour with all its bran and uneven texture, enriched bleached white flour makes a uniform product and its cheaper and plentiful from corporate granaries that have their own juggernaut marketing and distribution channels. I very much agree that many Christians do this quite well without drawing attention to themselves do you mean positional recognition? PHD student. Being precedes doing, and that doing of mission also requires the Holy Spirit. When I emailed him asking to clarify if he believed working moms are disobeying Gods call, he forwarded my letter to an assistant to respond and I never really got a clear reply. 40:8. The Anyabwiles can draw a bigger crowd? David Platt unfortunately comes across as manipulating and disingenuous. I hope Ive answered your question. Why are we surprised at those results when were flat begging for them? And therein lies the rub. I have heard nothing new from a pulpit in many years. The father. Theres very little Scripture in sermons. . David Platt, An MBC (1) Teaching Pastor, Is Infected With Calvinism. (Dont let him infect you!). only 1 church in my town would let me hold a musical recital at their facility. And, sometimes, you get the pleasure of seeing their petty responses to someone that they have no other way of harming. He had his family and his oilfield job, and we were either adults or in families with adults. one head person to be the primary teacher and CEO of a fellowship, big or small, to whom all, if push comes to shove, must ultimately submit. Or insipid video series made by the pastors wife/youth group/whatever? God. are picking whoever the replacement is rather than a pastoral search committee made up of actual members. We made funerals and weddings church events when they never were in Bible times. Thanks for the man/human explanation. Lots of kids to boot. Its also tricky if there is something messy with IMB and NAMB that is as yet undisclosed. A Methodist pediatrician I used to work with when we both worked for the Feds once said that (local SBC mega) was better organized than Reynolds Tobacco. Of course, we need the leaders to tell us what all this do-do looks like (imperatives, again) it fills all their conferences and publishing. This should not be confused with ministry. This leaves the door wide open for our congregation to see areas of leadership where they are needed, and to respond accordingly.. Over the coming months, while Dr. Platt serves as teaching pastor for McLean Bible Church, the trustees of the International Mission Board will evaluate Dr. Platts fulfillment of his responsibilities as IMB president. Lift up your voice mightily, O Christian, bearer of Jesus good news; lift it up, do not fear. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HPqDaKajSnQ The Tron, and others (some of which are known to me directly) are looking for the perfect church network. Hmm-methinks my upbringing has given me an entirely different take on what the preacher should be. When I had (open) abdominal surgery 10 years ago (perforated diverticulitis), it took me a whole month before I could get back to work and seriously restricted diet. Our main motivation is Who God is, and that informs us as to how to love one another (because He first loved us). We had not heard of David Platt before he came there, but we have already decided we will be moving on. I usually dread listening to missionaries speak, anticipating the guilt trip that they sometime put on other people for not being as extreme and missional and sacrificial as them. It is a sad fact of mega-church psychology that people like to be associated with stars. Im a firm believer in Capital Punishment. __ This is one of the reasons I ended up ditching the SBC for good. All the Community out reach programs were killed by him. That idol of Authoritarianism is the reason, IMO, that the competing factions of Calvinists and Traditionalists have been willing to make at least the appearance of peace in the SBC. One hour to download it from a Research Service and trim off the labels, 19-24 hours to play Doom, Sounds like Comrade Napoleon on how the Pigs of the Inner Party have such a hard and lonely task. Its like a code for the party apparatus. At least I think it was Dever, though it may have been one of his lieutenants. Insidious idolatry always tries to put the created thing ahead of the Creator. I asked to meet with the pastor and was referred to an intern and then to a lay minister. Could you quote me some specific passages on that? Dr. Platt would serve as Teaching Pastor, not Senior Pastor, he would not be involved in overall day-to-day leadership in the church, and he would not receive a salary for his role at MBC. Paul gave sermons in the public spaces and synagogues. at MBC platt was speaking about salvation and missions.. and i quote reason you were saved is to go on missions. @ Mandavilla: John 3:16 God so loved the world.God loves us all and wants us to spend eternity with him. Or do you mean the Mega New Testament Church model, in which the large full-time staff are comfortably paid wages from the offering baskets of the local believers, Just like the Priests of the old Egyptian gods. A Proverbial Shortcut To Mushrooms, Perhaps?, I think we should get off the road (1), Lon knows quite clearly that the people of McLean Bible Church dont throw stones, Spy I was furious but also too new to the church and too scared to call him out on it. Bless him). Actually, liberal lefty functions only as temporary place holder for me. Was Peter a pastor to these souls or just a talking head? Just being a preacher doesnt make you a pastor. Theyre not, but thats not really the point here. Nope. I dont believe there is invested (maybe you meant vested?) @ Nick Bulbeck: All believers do have access, yes. ), you are neglecting the gathering together of the saints. So while I dislike Platts platitudes in general, Ive no problem with him supply preaching for the church. He sounds like a driven man. We need a place to exercise our gifts, and to receive those of others connected to the body and functioning. What I would say is, if they ever find the perfect church network, they shouldnt join it because theyll spoil it. Head pastor, lead pastor, teaching pastor, senior pastor, preaching pastor, associate pastor, assistant pastor, worship pastor, music pastor, youth pastor, college pastor, building services pastor, executive pastor . Generally, human nature is fairly predictable once we give up the notion that we ourselves or our group is somehow exempt. After reading your comments I was deeply discouraged, wow this man must be seriously egotistical and really has no heart for the church body. As much as I fault 9Marks, one of the things that Mark Dever got right was a panel discussion at SBTS many years ago about multi-site churches. In the United States, theres a reason for that, and it has to do with income taxes. This is indirectly related to this topic.I am questioning the current practice of satellite churches.where a church starts another location with the pastor appearing via webcam. 2) And making way too much of it at the other. __ What does any of this have to do with God? They took me to a new level of understanding Gods Word. Tell me want to do/believe, and I will do it, I do not want to figure it my self to much work and, 2. Amazing to me is that these same preachers will harangue the members to up their donations to meet budget shortfalls! https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=I4vnQc59N-w. Has MBC (1) senior pastor Lon Solomon proclaimed the suspension of Jesus gospel, and substituted Calvinism in its place? Lay people are the backbone of the church. WebDavid Platt Introduction: David Platt, The disciples world had just been rocked when Jesus turned their thinking up-side down about what makes someone clean. Sovereign Grace Ministries Many times the pastor would come over to her home after the Sunday service for coffee, cake and to talk. I actually did. Anything bursting in there makes surgery, clean up, and recovery much more extensive. Why do we persist, neurotically supporting this model? They care about as much about the Bible as they do about the truth, about justice, about the Fruits of the Spirit, about Jesus, and about those who have been made in His image. Were paying, sometimes til it drives us into financial ruin, to be abused. He could have one or not, but telling everyone when you first meet that he does NOT tells you something and its not a positive thing. Personally collecting and sending funds from one local body of believers to a non-local body of believers who were in need? She never told me what they talked about, but she spoke very highly of him and enjoyed having him visit. Then I had to remember all the sermons I had listend to and how deeply moved I was by his heart for Missions and Jesus. Most bakeries by this time will start feeling the cash flow pinch. A current trend where I live.sounds stupid to me. rather, an unpaid volunteer gifted in compassion & empathy. We are called to be like the Bereans in Acts 17:11, so the more I followed up with Davids teaching I found that he plays fast and loose with Gods word. And the Global Replace String man With String person' approach gets pretty silly. Tree wrote: He said Bill, this is Christs body, broken for you. I have NEVER had anyone do that in communion before. There are now NO laypeople chairing committees. If so, Im so sorry to hear it. This money comes to you tax free, as you (unlike the rest of us Americans who dont have pastor or Reverend in front of our names) do not have to pay federal income tax on that portion. Church was run, shepherded, pastored, whatever you want to call leading the flock by all of us. I totally disagree with that concept. 7). He actually knew my name and used it." My Comment was Deleted Be Holy, for I am Holy! Check it out on our blog as well as http://fbcjaxwatchdog.blogspot.com. But I have to ask, how can the walking podcast be my shepherd? There is no such thing as a teaching pastor in scripture. But some people now say that if only we would forget church buildings and just meet in individual homes then that (and apparently only that) would be biblical. I did a little research of John Folmar, my ex-pastor in Dubai, in 2013, the year I quit. I generally know what to expect, altho Ive had my share of surprisesmy motto is there is no such thing as a straightforward issue. But brother or sister, these nine jobs are biblical, and that is why they are so valuable.. Its reductionistic, but I like the Church gathered to worship (edify, exhort, encourage) and be fed; then the Church scattered (respective families, jobs, neighborhoods) to do missions/evangelism. Just today he seems to throw a jab at Paige Patterson. degenerative neurological or motor disorder. Suffice to say, God desires a cleaned-up people group, where He can dwell in their midst. We both know the answer, yet dont follow this when we have someone adding their own agenda. I felt the LORD give me this analogy/story line a few years ago concerning juggernaut corporate bakeries and local artisan bakeries. On the subject of tax: David Platts Radical Inc. (and also the Gospel Coalition and Ken Hams Answers in Genesis) are non-profit 501c3 organisations. Personally, I respect organization, but my most pressing need is for substance. The shareholders are proud of their new corporate bakery enterprise. Pod People do not need more than a podcast, and are very easy to manage. ___ For those across the pond, ConAggerback is word play on ConAgra and Saddleback Church, and General Willow Mills is play on General Mills and Willow Creek. But I also think it has two drawbacks: 1) Not giving it the credence it deserves at one extreme. The Youth and Family Pastor becomes Youth and Family Director when held by a female. Every inch of my kitchen counter is covered with stuff. What about the way New Testament leaders and teachers apparently worked to provide their own physical sustenance, so they would not be burdensome on the believers, oh, say, tent-making, for example? I spend 7-10 hours studying Gods word and I am not preparing a sermon. I could add philosophy of ministry as well. No longer are the artisan bakers needed too costly; standardize the formula and hire those who will not think but just follow the dictates of the formula how to do it. Its soft and glides down the throat kids love it with the crust cut-off. https://fiec.org.uk/events/event/leaders-conference-2017. He is just a big idea guy. And it is He himself, the Jesus of keep my commandments who says to some depart from me MBC deserves a full time pastor. Does not. (I am not making fun of word studies, I would love love love to have access to a full bells and whistles version of Logos software.) I dont see a vested authority required in scripture. What does any of this have to do with God? Those things cannot be torn apart and pitted against each other; they are part and parcel of the whole. My daughter attended the event, held at a lovely hotel in Dubai. Whats up with this? I dont understand why they want to borrow celebrities. To my knowledge neither Platt nor Furman have apologized for the scam they took part in. How differently the Word would be preached if nobodys mortgage depended on tickling itching ears? Next, improvements in distribution will enable more people to have access to the bread: more markets and bigger market-share. I have been hearing from a few folks. Yes, sometimes. Also, someone up the comment ladder was mentioning campus churches where the pastor is only on the big screen. (And to be accurate, he preached only 20 of 25 weeks in his first 6 months on the job, so he has effectively had 3 months off in his first 8 months of his job.). Jesus refereed to shepherds and called Himself a shepherd a number of times. Then have an affair and take a sabatical for recovery purposes while your church still pays you. Its absurd on its face, its not true. Mike Wittmer : LZ Granderson, a member of Rob Bells church and a regular contributor to CNN and ESPN, wrote a column today for CNN.com which illustrates the problem that I try to correct in the first two chapters of There were no condolences from the church, nothing. Even if he does prep his own sermons . Everything is predicated upon knowing the LORD! Platt, unfortunately, was merely a podcast in person. Well, I think its clear what the problem is. As does a real paster, of course. I know, I mean, how many golf stories can one hear? He needs a vacation, so do I from LIFE. Dave A A wrote: Preparation time can't look the same for that, but only having to preach one text a week gives me the liberty and the opportunity to spend between 20 and 25 hourssometimes less, sometimes morein the text during the week. Using the same idea to answer another enigma, why did Mark Dever himself give up the entire 9Marks system in order to protect C.J. When I entered the state of the art auditorium, I found myself absorbed in a sea of multiple thousands of attendees at one of the multiple Sunday services. is there NO one in the UK and/or Ireland who can speak at the FIEC Leaders Conference that an American has to be imported? I met him the first time his visited this spring and he has remembered me and called me by name ever since (something akin didnt do for the 12 years we have been there.) WE need to correct others, and we need to be able to receive correction. Plus, it has been my experience, that while this is way overly simplistic, there seems to two kinds of people: 1. WebWe dont have lots of information about members of the JP family except for the fact that his father is a driver. Something feels very wrong about this transition and I am less than overwhelmed by Platt. Must be a slow reading inefficient thinker. At MBC we have a large pastoral staff who make hospital visits, perform weddings and funerals, etc. I do it for my housebound parents on Wed. May you be richly blessed. Incidentally, thats three comments in a row beginning with the word incidentally. Still, imperfect as it is, it is the dearest place on earth to us.. and for fun. Balance is such a godly thing, and takes time and Im working on it. Its much better to have the Holy Spirit glory Christ in me, than I trying to be intentional about it. (Yet Mahaney refers to the hours and hours and hours and hours and hours it takes to prepare sermon!) At the time he was the youngest megachurch pastor in the United States. LOL at Dee telling Deb to check her text messages. my view is that The reason I put in ot was so a life saving medical test could be approved for a 2 year old child. ADA Only You Jesus Here is a cautious, rather underwhelming, statement from the trustees att the IMB : Our president, Dr. David Platt, has expressed a deep sense of calling to serve as I sometimes despair at being such a talentless, beached whale of an apology for a wordsmith. Folks, find a church in which you have a real pastor, not a talking head who offers nothingdifferent than apodcast Find a pastor who knows your names and will come and sit with you when you are in the hospital. Worship is the response to a revelation of Who God is. But have you ever noticed the way he kind of empasizes the c sound. They are the symptoms of diabetes an epidemic in our generation. but in the church gathered there is order of service (not chaos) and some invested authority (dont want to debate who and how much, just that it exists). Why do we continue attending fellowships that such a person presides over and wonder why things go wrong? I am sure my staff are wondering why I laughed so loudly a moment ago. Blogs. We should consider what ought to be on the table in the tabernacle. See, I grew up in the remoter parts of the domestic oilfields. Most pastor positions are salaried. I never really made it past the Introduction in the book 9 Marks of a Healthy Church because he did not include prayer in the 9 Marks. I want to know when did my husband or me get a vacation from life. I disagree here. So why do we continue supporting this made up role? Speech is a complex process that requires precise timing, nerve and muscle control, and as a result is susceptible to impairments. He may well love all but he has said that not all survive the judgment. I have mentioned the FIEC network in the UK and they are selling themselves out to the Go$$$pel Coalition. The leadership is far to often unaware of, or opposed to, the real church that sometimes begins to form. Jesus preached and taught at the temple, in the open air and in the home of Martha/Mary and Lazarus as well as in the synagogues and sent the seventy out to wherever they could get somebody to listen. Bridget, (That may be why they havent pushed us too hard to sign the old one. It took us two years in this church to feel comfortable. Membership Covenants Good little Suckers in the Mooch-and-Sucker Show. They care about as much about the Bible as they do about the truth, about justice, about the Fruits of the Spirit, about Jesus, and about those who have been made in His image. As all were replaced their titles changed with the word pastor not minister. Incidentally, they didnt go there to preach the gospel as such. WebDavid Platt Is Ready to Leave the IMB. Why we think we can somehow be in authority over anyone else spiritually?
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