Juan Brown on the Blancolirio YouTube Channel mentions the icing conditions. No, he did not fly away from the airport after declaring an emergency. Although Brittney passed away young, her adventurous, loving spirit led to an abundant life. I would really like to see some *measured* data of the actual height of that tower before it was razed, as well as its MSL elevation. Recent Google Map views show a very sturdy tubular platform and ladder system was added around the stack sometime after 2016. Both wings, the propeller assembly, belly pod, and the nose wheel separated from the fuselage. On 3 October 2021, a Romanian private plane crashed into a building in San Donato Milanese, Lombardy, Italy. The elevation data in Google Earth also does not agree with a 4' difference. Yesterday's accident was very unfortunate. A quick but not exhaustive search finds this example guidance from a past advisory circular regarding the use of a 24-hour medium intensity flashing white light system:"not recommended on structures within 3 nautical miles of an airport. What a dumb place to put the potato factory, lots of open land, but yeahhh lets put factory with stem stacks right on short final. She was going to hit something as that rate was not arrested. There was a small plane crash in North Carolina on June 16, 2022. The condensate can blow into your path within seconds, unexpectedly. Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2017. I want to add some info here, for what it's worth. Updated. Aviation don't care who you are. Aviationdb shows N8361D, a Beech J35 registered to him 1998 thru 2014, N265VA RV-12 2014 thru 2017. On August 25, 2001, a Cessna 402 twin-engine light aircraft crashed shortly after takeoff from Marsh Harbour Airport on the Abaco Islands of the Bahamas, killing the pilot and all eight passengers on board. Hopefully that, and possibly cameras at the airport or in the vicinity of the airport can provide some information though most are not pointed towards the sky.Pilots that fly this route regularly will be intimately familiar with the obstacles and may even stay a little high and err to stay slightly on the right side of the approach or keep the diamonds centered and follow the flight director. apparently it was marginal vfr below an overcast with one mile vis. Such a bad place for a 10 story tall obstruction :(, Here are 2 images of what ForeFlight synthetic vision would have shown at 4300' and 4560' (MDA) respectively https://photos.app.goo.gl/dHgeEAniT9PpWu3o7. The ladder going to the top of the stack is in three sections going to three platforms. Brittney went on to graduate from Utah State University with a degree in Finance in 2018. Perhaps he could have dumped full flaps and ground effected to just clear over the retreating water waves which is what they hit to flip over. A viewpoint location one quarter mile (1,320 feet) toward the airport from the stack (such as at Gossner's areas adjacent to 7th Avenue) would be very likely to see the approaching aircraft appear to descend into the water vapor plume, but viewpoint locations off to the side of the flight track or Northeast of the stacks have a different perspective.Plant has operated since 2011, so there has been a long period of opportunity where the water vapor plume from the dryer stacks were operating under similar weather conditions and subject to observation, photos and videos of plume behaviour in all wx conditions.Potato plant created artificial IFR conditions! Advertisement. Even a slight gust can carry the rising steam from the potato plants six stacks into the 3.75 approach path. Apparently the mail must get through, despite the automated voice telling you "Minimums" and you don't have the runway. Can't imagine why this approach is even published. Anyone know her duty schedule leading up to this accident? Fortunately, no one was hurt.The step up from the instruction/GA world to single-pilot 135 is huge. I see no conjecture from the original post; only data from flightaware. There are no obstruction clearance guarantees below the MDA. The stack would not have been hit had the pilot not busted minimums and gone below the MDA. "It seems very likely that the Caravan was out of the clouds well before reaching the MDH. and "you guys are crazy", maybe pause what you are doing and reconsider. Maybe she saw the snake river and runway but didn't see the stack? She was always striving to be an example of Christ and share His love with others. Looking at obstacle markings on the BYI RW20 approach plate, it is interesting to compare to ALL of the HEYBURN-associated obstacles that exist in the current 16-ID.dat obstacle database.Notably, the 4179' obstruction shown by the river at 7th avenue in the inset runway detail of the plate is not in the database, appears to be Gossner's Magic Valley Chalet based on low height and location. Source:https://trellis.law/judge/rex.h.minterAirmen registry shows he and Doris BOTH having Commercial Pilot and Mechanic A&P certs, ASEL, Instrument (plus AMEL for him), his last third class med exam 1998, hers 2013. There is photographic evidence of the stacks on the roof at the collision location in a 2018 Town News article about the plant, so they have been there at least that long. Average descent angle was 9.2 degrees, or a loss of 350' in those last seconds, but the approach seemed unstable from JAMID. 0. ntsb releases preliminary report on recent air show crash. To wit, check out this video at the 16:46 mark:https://youtu.be/aRN3RJaW618, Here's an even better view of what those steam stacks do on a morning with very similar weather conditions to the crash. "The captains change to a vertical speed approach after failing to capture the profile glidepath was not in accordance with UPS procedures and guidance and decreased the time available for the first officer to perform her duties." 1984 Cessna Skylane II 182R. advisory GS, that would have put her 50-60' below MDA. Kathryn s Report Cessna 525C Citation CJ4 N614SB Fatal. Yesterday's divert impact/scramble is fresh in dispatcher's mind.- Possible bias factors:5. There are videos of the entire accident sequence, still baffling how one of them died. They won't believe it if NTSB doesn't blame the impossible to overcome steam cloud in the final a couple of years hence. The Newmar Dutch Star is available in 37-, 40-, and 43-foot coaches. Thanks for posting that CVR transcript. He is an avid aviator, and his wife, Doris, is a member of the Ninety-Nines, the international organization of women pilots." I can't tell, from Google Maps, if there is a light for that chimney. Loss of Control in Flight: Cessna 525C Citation . Even reading 50 feet low she should have been 110 feet above that chimney/stack. Their downed aircraft was discovered shortly after 1:30 a.m. Monday in a wooded area in Williams, Arizona, according to a release prepared . "It's not a minimums bust if you have any of the required runway elements in sight before you descend. The left wing shows most of the damage where it connects to the fuselage. If you were a pilot you would know that warm/wet air has very little lift. Those stacks were well outside where any airplane should ever find itself. Runway 20 has one. FYI, the 4304' obstacle shown on the RWY 20 approach plate plan view is NOT any of the stacks at Gem State plant. The insurance company, the salvage team, the trauma center were all baffled at how I survived the crash. i suspect many if not most do not. Flags in front of City Hall will be lowered to half-staff and a City Council meeting in the new year will be adjourned in honor of Minters service.. The real-life nature of what transpired reveals a complete pilot disregard for a multitude of no-go factors and specifically communicated warnings.https://data.ntsb.gov/Docket/Document/docBLOB?ID=13775462&FileExtension=pdf&FileName=CEN20FA022_CVR_Report_RELEASE-Rel.pdfDocket:https://data.ntsb.gov/Docket?ProjectID=100636. Steam has water vapor and is warm so it provides significantly less lift. 8:32 AM crash wasn't at sunrise. Steam enters such drums at 140-180C (284-356F) and 10-12 bar. An Airmens Meteorological Information (AIRMET) advisory was active for icing and mountain obscurations for areas that included BYI. "You're aware that the passenger who died was 95 years old (born in 1927). The #5 comment about lowest cloud layer is important to grasp. We keep killing ourselves for mostly the same reasons. (Although it is interesting to speculate, and discuss.). Loss of Control in Flight: Cessna 525C Citation CJ4, N614SB, fatal accident occurred December 29 . first opened in 1940, and publicly-owned by the CITY OF BURLEY, ID. Usually the pencil-thin outside air temperature gauge is the first place where ice forms on an airplane. Really, really nice woman and safe pilot, Pilot's father says she flew to this airport all the time and was well aware of any obstacles. The April 4 METAR headwind of 9 knots at the time is added to the ground speeds, making airspeed 96 knots in the 09:53:05 AM April 4 data point (note that the arcing track getting from the 09:52:44 to the 09:53:05 data point is actually a further distance than straight line, making the true airspeed slightly higher):April 4 METARS (from mesonet.agron.iastate.edu):KBYI 041350Z AUTO 22009KT 10SM CLR 04/M08 A2975KBYI 041353Z AUTO 23009KT 10SM CLR 05/M08 A2975For the accident day, the April 13 METAR headwind of 8 knots at the time is added to the ADS-B reported ground speeds.At 21 seconds before reaching the tater building's edge and 300 feet higher, airspeed was 81 + 8 = 89 knots:Wed 10:32:04 AM 42.5578 -113.7532 216 81 93 4,450 -750http://maps.google.com/maps?t=k&q=loc:42.5578+-113.7532At reaching the edge of the building, 80 + 8 = 88 knots: Wed 10:32:25 AM 42.5520 -113.7592 217 80 92 4,150 -857http://maps.google.com/maps?t=k&q=loc:42.5520+-113.7592. KENEDY, Texas - According to a preliminary report, a single-engine Cessna 182 that crashed on Monday took off from New Braunfels National Airport in New Braunfels, Texas. Brittneys spirit could be felt by all who knew her. &0183;&32;A 35-year-old Madison man died and a 23-year-old Madison man was injured in a two-vehicle accident on US 421 north of Madison Sunday night. 2 dead in crash between F-16, Cessna 01:06. Even if you were trying to duck under, you aren't ducking at -857/min at 4800 ft. (Jamid) MDA 4560 which is 240 ft then another 406 ft 4154 elevation - 646 fpm would get you there (at 90 knots). The only way throwing money at things would improve anything would be paying the surrounding businesses to move and take down their towers, stacks, and other obstacles that are preventing precision approaches, or move the entire airport to a more favorable location. LOL Whatever the case, it's clear from the NTSB report that the mob that was fixated on "busted minimums" was wrong. Three hours later, Atlanta Center instructed the pilot to maintain 7,300 feet and cleared him to . I noticed Dan's poor comm skills also and the pilot's incorrect read backs.Then to prove how dangerous the LNAV +V approach is, they fly it high, seemingly to prove how the advisory glide slope dragged the 208 down in to the tower. "Sucked right into that smokestack by the steam cloud!" She applied power and nose up to go around but the steam cloud pulled her right into the stack.Or maybe you're smarter than the ntsb investigators right there at the scene interviewing witnesses and looking at the weather conditions and the runway and what happened? The last "reliable" data point on ADS-B was @ 08:32:25 at an altitude of 4150' MSL and a position of 42.5520,-113.7592 which is almost directly at the stack. It is nonsense to suggest that because the perfect approach was 100ft to the side of the stack and above it, that it was okay! No preview function. suppose that building had been painted with a bold pattern and say a big potato image - no chance of mistaking that for a runway. Your top of stack AGL estimate is off somehow - the building roof would have to be 90 feet high. Add a loss of power situation and see how you come out. but the sight picture she had of the runway end brought her into the steam cloud. Sunrise was at 6:56.She would have been accustomed to crossing the waterway with the railroad bridge in view on the right side during the last moments in the normal approach to the RW20 threshold.There is nothing to see that is even remotely similar to the waterway and RR bridge combination before reaching the tater plant. I know this is a LNAV approach so vertical guidance is not provided as it is on a precision approach.Here is the approach plate: you have to zoom in to see the 4304' stackhttps://flightaware.com/resources/airport/BYI/IAP/RNAV+(GPS)+RWY+20/pdfHere is the track-log:https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N928JP/history/20220413/1300Z/KSLC/KBYI/tracklog. Others in earlier comments cited an obstruction of 60ft AGL with a lateral offset from the centerline, but that is *not* the stack that was hit.Here are the numbers I used in arriving at the above conclusions:(1) Runway displaced threshold length = 305.7ft (measured from satellite data)(2) Distance from runway threshold to impacted stack = 2633.4 ft (measured from satellite data)(3) Distance from runway threshold to JAMID = 1.6 NM (9721.8 ft) (on published approach plate)(4) Altitude when crossing JAMID = 4800 ft (on published approach plate)I included the 40 ft TCH elevation offset from the approach plate in my conclusions above.Assumptions:(a) Assuming the ground surface elevation at the potato plant is 20ft above the runway TDZE. A tuber channel misrepresented the track by showing "I'd like to return" text overlay on the track right after takeoff. Really only SE piston and one helicopter showing on Flightaware. Kathryn's Report: Most Read This Year Cessna 208B Grand Caravan, N928JP: Fatal accident occurred April 13, 2022 near Burley Municipal Airport (KBYI), Cassia County, Idaho Cirrus SR22 GTS, N24LA: Fatal accident occurred May 06, 2022 in the Atlantic Ocean near Tybee Island, Georgia A Cessna 182 left Meridian, Mississippi, at 4:21 p.m. CDT, bound for Columbus, Georgia, with two aboard. She loved spending time with her father, who taught her to play basketball, hunt, fish, and fly. G1000 avionics can log a lot of data if and only if you have a formatted SD card in the top slot of the MFD. Sorry, but that's insane.You can pull data all day long from flight records and try to figure out why she did what she did, but the fact remains that a published non-precision LNAV approach that misses a smokestack by 61' is unacceptable. During the flip, the right horizontal stabilizer contacted something, most likely the roof, but not with much force. She traveled, she laughed, she loved. The plant releases huge quantities of hot water vapour through stacks, (industrial chimneys). Begin final portion of descent to the runway numbers. Also, if the pilot intended the first pass to inspect the runway surface and conditions, they would not have slowed down as much as on the final pass. The FAA is expected to release the preliminary results of their investigation in the coming days. It is staggering that the FAA, local airport authority, and board of the "Gem State Potato Processing Plant" allowed this appalling situation. Cessna T337G Super Skymaster, N337KN: Fatal accident occurred July 17, 2022 in Gold Hill, Boulder County, Colorado . The plane is resting upside down pointing towards the probable point of impact about 90 feet away, with about a 190 degree counter clockwise rotation and flip supporting the left wing strike probably. 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